written by mcalpine 81 days ago
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"If Japanese men were men," would be a better title.
We wouldn't be having this discussion if Japanese men were doing the responsible thing.
written by Luke 79 days ago
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I know I'm probably opening a pandora's box here, but out of curiosity, what is it that you feel Japanese men should be doing, but aren't?
It's a bit off-topic here, so why don't you write a post about it on your blog and submit it to Japansoc?
written by matigo 81 days ago
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Pfft ... if I were a woman, I wouldn't be doing many of the things mentioned in that list. Instead, I'd be too busy playing with myself to enjoy shopping, or eating, or wearing a bra.
Seriously ... how would I ever get anything done if, whenever I looked down, there was a nice pair of breasts? They'd keep me awake at night, too
Of course, I say this only because I'm a guy and find women to be incredibly attractive. Perhaps things would be different if I had been born female
written by freedomwv 81 days ago
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The top answer seems to make the most sense. A lot of women just love to act cute just to get a expensive dinner on a guys tab.
written by mcalpine 80 days ago
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Mishima warned us 35 years ago that the Japanese man has become too effeminate for his own good and absolutely worthless to his own society. You can't blame the women for the erosion of traditional social values and you can't blame the young generation either. You can't blame the little boys who want to look pretty, or Japanese women who marry foreigners. It's 100% the Japanese man's fault that this country is lost and in peril. The men have always made the necessary sacrifices to protect the country, its people and language. Historically,women are not designed to understand this type of urgency.
I can't believe these Japanese men are now reexamnining their softer side in order to find meaning in being another sex ! Especially when they haven't even discovered what being a man is ! I think I'm going to puke !
written by Jordan 80 days ago
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Mishima was a foolish git who indulged in camp photography of himself and gay bars. He was as vain as the pretty boy down the block, but unlike that pretty boy was ashamed of it. Perhaps it was the hyper-masculinity of prior generations (read: the ones who pushed Japan into war for such idiotic reasons as dying for the Emperor) and the subsequent outcomes of their brutishness that caused this backlash.
People redefining the meaning of gender and sexuality! Oh me! Oh my! What a terrible world! Get used to it.. or get lost in the dust.
written by mcalpine 80 days ago
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Correction, Mishima doesn't even fit the description of the word git. I suggest you either get a new dictionary or choose your words more wisely.
Mishima was an accomplished playwright, author, and actor. I resent how you loosely used his name like that, especially comparing your credentials with his, leaves "nothing" to be desired.
There is nothing wrong or idiotic about dying for ones country as evident in Iraq by America and her stooges and every other war fought since WW2.
written by Jordan 80 days ago
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I think it fits pretty well actually.
git /gɪt/
–noun
British Slang. a foolish or contemptible person.
Mishima was a confused reactionary clown who liked to play soldier with young boys. Sorry to bash your icon but he had some seriously screwed up tendencies despite his accomplishments as an author. Advocating a return to the silly belief in the Emperor was his ultimate foolish act. No one said anything about dying for your country, I wrote "dying for the Emperor."
written by mcalpine 80 days ago
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Dying for the country was for the Japanese dying for the emperor - Japan was/is the emperor,it wasn't foolish. Had you been born 60 years ago as a Japanese you too would've been screaming "banzai."
Again, git poorly defines the character of Mishima Yukio. Remember, Mishima lead a normal life just like everybody else did, except he excelled in everything he did.
He not only fulfilled his obligation to society,but he married and sired children, as well. He paid his taxes, he was loved, admired, and respected not only by his peers and his fellow constituencies, but educated foreigners at home and abroad. No one then was scrutinizing his sexual tendencies.
Maybe he wasn't popular with painfully average foreigners who are extremely ignorant of his work, and the national character of the Japanese. The man was nominated for the noble prize in literature 5 times !
Maybe the reason why he was such an iconic figure, and yet polarizing all at the same time is because maybe everything he said came to pass, and now , 35 years later, people are finally starting to listen.
It's every Japanese persons right to honor their emperor and their own value system. They don't need some confused about-how-I-use-words wanna-be sumo aficionados telling them otherwise.
Until you understand his work, you shouldn't bash him.
written by ShaneS 80 days ago
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Guys, I have to say this is getting a bit ridiculous and is way off the topic of this Soc. It wasn't about Mishima it was about what some Japanese men would do if they were women - simple as that.
There is no use debating who is a git or who is right here. It's a matter of opinion and we are all entitled to ours.
If you have strong opinions on Mishima why not write a post on him and Soc it so it can be discussed in an relevant forum?
written by mcalpine 79 days ago
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[[Guys, I have to say this is getting a bit ridiculous and is way off the topic of this Soc. It wasn't about Mishima it was about what some Japanese men would do if they were women - simple as that.
There is no use debating who is a git or who is right here. It's a matter of opinion and we are all entitled to ours.
If you have strong opinions on Mishima why not write a post on him and Soc it so it can be discussed in an relevant forum?]]]
Shane, this was a response to Jordans insult to Mishima. I felt I needed to correct him. I understand what this topic is about.
written by DBR 79 days ago
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Mcalpine, you chastised the community for taking your Bamiyan soc and talking about different restaurants than the one in your article for goodness sake - I think Shane has the right to pick you up for the tangent you have dragged this one down.
In this particular case not only have you (and Jordan) taken the conversation off topic (which I actually think is fine to do) but it has become a political rant-fest which took a very nasty personal turn in the comment you left before Shane stepped in.
I understand that you were personally hurt by Jordan's attacking someone you clearly admire but it is obviously a very detailed debate and so this is not the place to do it.
As Shane suggested, rant on your own blog and soc it - if people agree they will soc it, if not then it will sink away in the "upcoming" pages. If they want to discuss it then an appropriate discussion can start there.
It's fine to have a point to make but perhaps we could all try to be just a little more respectful of each other and the people and culture of the country in which we have chosen to live?
written by jcollin3k 80 days ago
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No mention of ladies locker rooms invalidates the list for me. Hence, all those answers seem lame to me.
And I wouldn't make a dude buy an expensive dinner for me, I'd make him buy me an expensive piece of hardware (i.e. Nikon D700 or 30" LCD monitor) or if possible, a car!
written by ShaneS 80 days ago
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Jason - thanks for keeping it light
I'm married so I haven't had an expensive dinner or a gift that didn't come out of joint funds for a long time...
written by DBR 80 days ago
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Me too, Shane, married that is. I'm only in it for the gifts and the dinners and the travel...
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"If Japanese men were men," would be a better title.
We wouldn't be having this discussion if Japanese men were doing the responsible thing.
I know I'm probably opening a pandora's box here, but out of curiosity, what is it that you feel Japanese men should be doing, but aren't?
It's a bit off-topic here, so why don't you write a post about it on your blog and submit it to Japansoc?
Pfft ... if I were a woman, I wouldn't be doing many of the things mentioned in that list. Instead, I'd be too busy playing with myself to enjoy shopping, or eating, or wearing a bra.
Seriously ... how would I ever get anything done if, whenever I looked down, there was a nice pair of breasts? They'd keep me awake at night, too
Of course, I say this only because I'm a guy and find women to be incredibly attractive. Perhaps things would be different if I had been born female
The top answer seems to make the most sense. A lot of women just love to act cute just to get a expensive dinner on a guys tab.
Mishima warned us 35 years ago that the Japanese man has become too effeminate for his own good and absolutely worthless to his own society. You can't blame the women for the erosion of traditional social values and you can't blame the young generation either. You can't blame the little boys who want to look pretty, or Japanese women who marry foreigners. It's 100% the Japanese man's fault that this country is lost and in peril. The men have always made the necessary sacrifices to protect the country, its people and language. Historically,women are not designed to understand this type of urgency.
I can't believe these Japanese men are now reexamnining their softer side in order to find meaning in being another sex ! Especially when they haven't even discovered what being a man is ! I think I'm going to puke !
Mishima was a foolish git who indulged in camp photography of himself and gay bars. He was as vain as the pretty boy down the block, but unlike that pretty boy was ashamed of it. Perhaps it was the hyper-masculinity of prior generations (read: the ones who pushed Japan into war for such idiotic reasons as dying for the Emperor) and the subsequent outcomes of their brutishness that caused this backlash.
People redefining the meaning of gender and sexuality! Oh me! Oh my! What a terrible world! Get used to it.. or get lost in the dust.
Correction, Mishima doesn't even fit the description of the word git. I suggest you either get a new dictionary or choose your words more wisely.
Mishima was an accomplished playwright, author, and actor. I resent how you loosely used his name like that, especially comparing your credentials with his, leaves "nothing" to be desired.
There is nothing wrong or idiotic about dying for ones country as evident in Iraq by America and her stooges and every other war fought since WW2.
I think it fits pretty well actually.
git /gɪt/
–noun
British Slang. a foolish or contemptible person.
Mishima was a confused reactionary clown who liked to play soldier with young boys. Sorry to bash your icon but he had some seriously screwed up tendencies despite his accomplishments as an author. Advocating a return to the silly belief in the Emperor was his ultimate foolish act. No one said anything about dying for your country, I wrote "dying for the Emperor."
Dying for the country was for the Japanese dying for the emperor - Japan was/is the emperor,it wasn't foolish. Had you been born 60 years ago as a Japanese you too would've been screaming "banzai."
Again, git poorly defines the character of Mishima Yukio. Remember, Mishima lead a normal life just like everybody else did, except he excelled in everything he did.
He not only fulfilled his obligation to society,but he married and sired children, as well. He paid his taxes, he was loved, admired, and respected not only by his peers and his fellow constituencies, but educated foreigners at home and abroad. No one then was scrutinizing his sexual tendencies.
Maybe he wasn't popular with painfully average foreigners who are extremely ignorant of his work, and the national character of the Japanese. The man was nominated for the noble prize in literature 5 times !
Maybe the reason why he was such an iconic figure, and yet polarizing all at the same time is because maybe everything he said came to pass, and now , 35 years later, people are finally starting to listen.
It's every Japanese persons right to honor their emperor and their own value system. They don't need some confused about-how-I-use-words wanna-be sumo aficionados telling them otherwise.
Until you understand his work, you shouldn't bash him.
Guys, I have to say this is getting a bit ridiculous and is way off the topic of this Soc. It wasn't about Mishima it was about what some Japanese men would do if they were women - simple as that.
There is no use debating who is a git or who is right here. It's a matter of opinion and we are all entitled to ours.
If you have strong opinions on Mishima why not write a post on him and Soc it so it can be discussed in an relevant forum?
[[Guys, I have to say this is getting a bit ridiculous and is way off the topic of this Soc. It wasn't about Mishima it was about what some Japanese men would do if they were women - simple as that.
There is no use debating who is a git or who is right here. It's a matter of opinion and we are all entitled to ours.
If you have strong opinions on Mishima why not write a post on him and Soc it so it can be discussed in an relevant forum?]]]
Shane, this was a response to Jordans insult to Mishima. I felt I needed to correct him. I understand what this topic is about.
Mcalpine, you chastised the community for taking your Bamiyan soc and talking about different restaurants than the one in your article for goodness sake - I think Shane has the right to pick you up for the tangent you have dragged this one down.
In this particular case not only have you (and Jordan) taken the conversation off topic (which I actually think is fine to do) but it has become a political rant-fest which took a very nasty personal turn in the comment you left before Shane stepped in.
I understand that you were personally hurt by Jordan's attacking someone you clearly admire but it is obviously a very detailed debate and so this is not the place to do it.
As Shane suggested, rant on your own blog and soc it - if people agree they will soc it, if not then it will sink away in the "upcoming" pages. If they want to discuss it then an appropriate discussion can start there.
It's fine to have a point to make but perhaps we could all try to be just a little more respectful of each other and the people and culture of the country in which we have chosen to live?
No mention of ladies locker rooms invalidates the list for me. Hence, all those answers seem lame to me.
And I wouldn't make a dude buy an expensive dinner for me, I'd make him buy me an expensive piece of hardware (i.e. Nikon D700 or 30" LCD monitor) or if possible, a car!
Jason - thanks for keeping it light
I'm married so I haven't had an expensive dinner or a gift that didn't come out of joint funds for a long time...
Me too, Shane, married that is. I'm only in it for the gifts and the dinners and the travel...
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